Talking To Teens: Expert Tips for Parenting Teenagers

Andy: The book is called Growing Strong Girls: Practical Tools to Cultivate Connection in the Preteen Years. So I really enjoyed this book and I specifically was really excited about the exercises that you have at the end of every single chapter. This book is full of really, really specific things that you can do with your daughters or with the teenage girls in your life. So where did you come up with all of these incredible exercises and what finally inspired you to collect them all in this book?

Lindsay: Oh wow, what a great question. Well, essentially this is my job, So I work with girls one-on-one and I've done so for over 15 years. And I think that I realized you can only talk so much. Their focus is only so … it's limited in lots of ways. And so, it became a conversation and now what do we do? So let's draw this idea out. Let's mind map this idea. Let's create a bravery jar.

Lindsay: And I think that then I saw the girls get the concept. They really understood it. And it was very tangible and it's something they could take home with them and remember. Because so often we have conversations and they just get forgotten. So I wanted to make it really practical and useful and also encourage parents and daughters to engage and interact. It's something essentially that they can do together, that was the purpose.

Andy: Okay. So tell me, you say this is your job and your bio it says you're an advocate. What the heck is a girl advocate and how did you become that, and what do you actually do?

Lindsay: Right. Well, a lot of the girls that they work with are on the shy side and I know they have a voice, but they really weren't using it. And so I think this idea of girl advocate really came from my observation with them. And in speaking with their parents, that they're not speaking up. They're not expressing their feelings. They're not giving their opinions. And I understand that it's hard and it's scary. And they essentially were out of practice. But I think that I see myself as the encourager to get the girls to speak out, to have a voice, to even disagree with something that I'm saying or someone else's saying.

Lindsay: Because now in these young years, we're talking about in a very safe space, giving me her favorite color or telling me what she would like to do for the hour. But I think in the world, she's going to have to be talking to her teachers and working through difficulty with peers. And I just really wanted to prepare them and equip them for that. They have the ideas in them. They have an opinion, they know what they want. They just have difficulty getting to the place, finding those words and also believing that their voice matters. So it's my job to really bring that out of girls, because I believe that they have what they need inside of them.

Andy: So why is it hard for girls to have these conversations with their own parents? What do you provide that is hard for parents to do?

Lindsay: I think that we have a societal problem that we're just all too busy, too distracted, too disengaged. And so, I think with me in this golden hour is that I said I think that it's one hour of undivided attention where I try to engage her. And we try to focus on something together and really build a relationship of trust and safety. And I think that's hard. I think we are all over-scheduled and busy, and we're trying to do everything all at once. And I think as I talk to parents, it's hard, but it's not impossible. I think it's just we make time for Facebook and for Instagram, and we make time to shop on Amazon.

Lindsay: I think we need to also invest in our daughters and make time intentional. I tell parents, "Just schedule an hour, write it on the calendar and you've covered it." It's a dentist appointment or a hair appointment. And that is your time with her. So I don't think what I do is anything that a parent couldn't do, but I think that we have sometimes gotten too busy, too over-scheduled and our daughters don't get the time that they absolutely need.

Andy: Also, one of the issues is conflicting messages that we kind of receive so many conflicting messages from the media. And you talk on page 44, about how there's headlines coming at girls like take the perfect selfie, followed by love yourself just as you are, or be your best healthy self, and right beside how to lose five pounds in a day. So it's on the one hand, we're telling girls that, "Oh, just be happy with the way you are and just be your best self, live your best life and be confident."

Andy: And then on the other hand, we're telling them that, "Oh, but you're not good enough. And you need to be really, really critical. And wow, you really need to look different." So how do you help a girl start to, I guess, the first part is just kind of noticing that they're getting hit with those messages and how do you kind of help them start to see through that and not be affected by it?

Lindsay: Yeah. I think these are great conversations that parents can have all of the time. I mean, there is no lack of images, whether you're watching a movie on Netflix together, or you see a billboard or you're flipping through a magazine or scrolling through her Instagram with her, which I encourage parents to do. I think that these are great opportunities to educate girls, first of all, and the fact that these pictures and messages aren't real.

Lindsay: And I like to educate girls on the fact that people, big businesses and companies are trying to sell to them. And so, I think just giving them the facts is always a good starting place. And really just going back to her about how she feels when she sees certain images. So if a girl is, for example, really obsessed with a celebrity and you ask why and said, "Oh, because she's so skinny." It's like we'll have a conversation about that.

Lindsay: I mean, she may be skinny, but is she healthy? Is she happy? And helping a girl understand that we all are supposed to look different. We all have different shapes and sizes, and getting her to own her uniqueness. And then beyond that, getting her to go beyond her body. So it's important to take care of ourselves and to look good, but not be obsessed with the look and the images that they're seeing. So I often just say to girls, "What else is going on? What can you do? What are your dreams? What are your goals? Can you give back to others? Can you help?" And I think the conversation then gets extended beyond these images and trying to be this ideal image of beauty and success and achievement, because girls are essentially then chasing the wrong thing.

Lindsay: That is not at the end of the day what will make her happy. So it's a lot, I think in that answer. So it's educating her and having these conversations and bringing it back to her, and then shifting that focus, right? And it's really interesting with this conflicting message, I think of be your best self, but accept yourself as you are. And I try to explain to girls if it's in the right order.

Lindsay: So if you feel good on the inside, the inside-out approach to feeling good and you want to excel and achieve and push yourself to best, that's in the right order. But I think what just happened is we've flipped that order. So be perfect, achieve and accomplish, but the foundation of feeling good isn't there. So I think that if we work on the right order, feel good first, and then all of those accomplishments and achievements are in the right order with the right priority.

Lindsay: But they feel better than chasing these ideas to prove your worth, but all the while not feeling good enough. So it's really, I like that inside-out approach, feel good first and then you'll naturally do good things, right? I think a little bit of push is great, but we have a generation of girls trying to be Supergirl and perfect, and it's causing them a lot of stress and anxiety and mental health concerns.

Andy: That's so interesting and I really noticed this firsthand because I went to college in Los Angeles and got involved in modeling when I was there. It was tons of fun. Just seemed like a cool thing to get into, but it was so interesting to me getting into the industry and meeting all of these models whose job is just to get their picture taken. And I guess you see these people in magazines and you see these people on billboards and you just think they have it all. And they must just be like so confident.

Andy: But then when you start meeting these people, you realize they're just normal people and they're just as insecure as everybody else. And in fact, because it's an industry where you're constantly being told that you need to lose a little weight or you really should change this about your appearance. It's actually really easy to be even less confident or to feel even not as good about yourself as you would if you weren't doing that.

Andy: It just was really eyeopening to me, I guess, that it's so easy to think that, "Oh, if I just look different or if I just had fill in any body part here, then I would be happier, then I would be more popular, then I would be cooler, then I would be able to feel good about myself." But of course, that's just not the case.

Andy: And like you say, that that needs to come first and then you can go focus on how you look a little bit, but that needs to come from a place of that you don't need that. So how do you help girls to build that really strong internal foundation so that no matter what happens externally, they just have that strong base to fall back on?

Lindsay: Well, I bring it all back to this idea of sparkle. I love this idea of inner joy and happiness. And I like to just play around with girls in terms of what do you like to do and follow that interest or what do you want to develop? Because when we have an idea of something that we want to work on, whether that's horseback riding or dance or baking or cooking or whatever it is. When we actually work on it and notice improvement, that's the sparkle.

Lindsay: It's like this moment where girls realize, "Wow, I made a decision. I worked really hard and I'm getting better." No different than when they were two and three-years-old. And so, I think it's bringing them back to some of those foundational ideas of just do what you're interested in and what makes you happy and even do things that you think are maybe not your thing it might be like we don't know.

Lindsay: So I think as a parent, I encourage them to really expose their daughters to the best that they can to all different kinds of activities and interactions, because you just never know. But all of these ideas are taking her, number one, off her screen and away from this idea of "I have to change to be happy" or "I have to look a certain way to be happy," but it's on the inside.

Lindsay: So really bringing her back to her heart essentially and the things that make her smile, the things that she can do where she forgets time. She's just in complete flow and immersion into whatever it is that she's excited about, but it's there. It's just I think girls have lost their way.

Andy: What is up with BFFs and what do you do if your daughter is struggling to find a BFF? Because everyone should have a BFF, right?

Lindsay: Right. So I always draw this one out. I'll have a circle and I'll put her in the center and we try to talk about all different kinds of people that she can be friends with. Some of them will be like her. Some of them not like her. Some of them may be a year or two older. Some maybe a year or two younger. Some are school friends, neighbor friends, church friends, soccer friends. And to try to get girls to see that it is the diversity that is going to make her the most happy.

Lindsay: And I'll explain if a friend at school and you have a fight and you have all these other girls or relationships in your circle, then you can just shift your focus, right? It's not as damaging and detrimental. But if you just have one friend, that BFF and she says, "I don't want to be friends anymore." You are alone. And that puts girls in an extremely vulnerable position.

Lindsay: So it's really about casting your net wide, right? And having lots of different races and cultures and interests and personalities in your circle so that you can shift. Because friendships really ebb and flow. Sometimes you're closer with some people and less close with others. But I think getting them to see that they want the eclectic group gives them lots of choice and lots of comfort, right? When a friendship isn't going well, she has other things going on.

Andy: It's so true. The whole idea of having a BFF is essentially putting all your eggs in one basket is just completely doubling down on this one friendship at the expense of a lot of other potential relationships. And so, it really seems like a positive thing to have this really, really close friend. And it is to some extent, but also at the same time, yeah, it can be limiting.

Lindsay: That's really interesting too, because I do have one girl in mind that I'm working with and she does have a BFF and she does really love her. They are so close and she will not listen to this idea of putting other friends in her circle and that's okay. So the positive and that is, "Wow, you're such a good friend. I'm so glad you found somebody. It's great that you have so much love and you're so content with this person."

Lindsay: And so, really making that a positive too. And when the time comes and they dress apart, then she'll really have to find these other friends. So as much as we tell them, "This is not good to have just one person." It's also an opportunity to give her credit for the fact that she is being a good friend.

Lindsay: And then eventually when they dress, you can help her find better balance and maybe that's the lesson that, "Well, next time let's just have a few people, not just one." And girls also need to learn that lesson on their own sometimes and that's okay, because they don't always listen.

Andy: Because it strikes me that it's a similar phenomenon to romantic relationships also where you put so much into this one person and then it can be really hard when it doesn't go the right way or when it ends. That if you kind of leave yourself a little bit of a safety net and have a handful of positive relationships in your life, then you protect yourself. But it's not always easy to tell a teenager that.

Lindsay: Yeah. I mean, sometimes we have to look at these things as preventative. You're having the conversation and hopefully that helps, right? But I think that it's about talking to her and planting the seeds really, getting her ready and then that's the very best that we can do.