Full Show Notes
When a teenager is constantly getting bad grades or failing to grasp course material, it’s hard to watch as a parent. It’s difficult to see them struggle to learn as well or as fast as their peers. We especially don’t want our kids to fall behind or get discouraged. Poor learning skills in the teen years can negatively impact grades, but failing to improve those skills can lead to greater disadvantages further into adulthood. This is why learning strategies for teens are so important! We want our kids to be happy, well-adjusted members of society, not those struggling to keep up.
Luckily, there are tried and true learning strategies for teens that can guide our kids towards being more effective learners. Our guest today is Ulrich Boser, the author of the book Learn Better: Mastering the Skills for Success in Life, Business, and School, Or, How to Become an Expert in Just About Anything. In the episode, Ulrich shines light on common misconceptions most people have about learning and several great learning strategies for teens we can use today.
Ulrich writes from the heart, as the inspiration for the book came from his own childhood. He struggled a lot in school, as he needed to repeat kindergarten and was placed into special education classes. Due to his difficulty keeping up with class, he always assumed he was going to be less successful than the classmates who excelled beyond him. However, as he began thinking critically about the process of learning itself, he discovered how he could become much more capable of retaining knowledge. He took his ideas about learning strategies for teens and put them into the book.
Ulrich describes a serious problem we have in today’s education system. He says we tend to sort people into two categories: good learners and bad learners. We shouldn’t be doing this, however, as research shows that we all have pretty much the same learning abilities. Rather than labeling them as unintelligent, we should be providing individualized learning strategies for teens who struggle in school.
One of the many learning strategies for teens that we discuss is the importance of physical learning. For example, we can greatly benefit from using hand motions to remember pieces of information. Although it may look peculiar, try helping your teen create a tapping motion that goes along with the information they are expected to memorize. Then, have them perform that same hand motion while being tested. This surprising technique can help them recall information much faster and with more accuracy.
Quizzing is another one of the effective learning strategies for teens I loved hearing about during this interview! Quizzing means testing your teen on the material they are learning. This is already a popular technique, so it’s good to know that it’s actually helpful. In fact, Ulrich says it’s one of the most effective techniques you can use! Even better, says Ulrich, is having teens repeat ideas to themselves without notes. If you can recall the information at hand without any reference, you will be more successful in remembering it for the long term.
Practicing new learning strategies doesn’t mean your teen isn’t smart already. Instead, it shows that they are dedicated to learning and adapting, even when things are challenging. Albert Einstein, one of the most brilliant men in history, struggled with basic tasks like tying his shoes and telling time. He had to learn certain strategies to adapt, and it was likely the development of those strategies that helped him become the brilliant innovator we all know. By researching and understanding learning strategies for teens, our kids can be just as brilliant as Einstein!
When it comes to learning strategies for teens, it’s good for them to distribute their learning over long periods of time, as Ulrich notes. As we’ve been told over and over, cramming for tests doesn’t work. If they try to learn everything in one night, their brains will simply not retain the information very well. Instead, by spreading out their studying over long periods of time, they can give their learning a boost.
Speaking of long term planning, Ulrich and I discuss how planning and goal setting can be helpful learning strategies for teens. This is especially true for teenagers in the modern day who have to juggle more than just school. Most teens are also involved in sports, extracurriculars, college applications, social media, complicated social circles, or a million other things. Ulrich speaks on the idea that if they’re feeling stressed and overwhelmed, teens simply don’t learn as well. By planning and setting specific deadlines for themselves, they can help section out their responsibilities so we’re not exhausted.
Along with sharing strategies for success, Ulrich also debunks common learning strategies that don’t work as well as we think they do. For example, Ulrich mentions research on reading has shown that highlighting certain phrases doesn’t help our brains retain information. The widely-accepted theory of learning styles (visual, written, or auditory), is also not scientifically accurate. These are very common misconceptions, and it’s important to learn that they are not effective learning strategies for teens. Instead, focus on quizzing, physical learning, and other scientifically-backed methods Ulrich shares in our conversation.
Ulrich says that our behaviors as parents have a significant influence on our teen’s behaviors through a psychological process called “modeling.” Modeling means, if we exhibit good learning strategies, our teens will do the same. For example, research shows that parents who are math anxious–meaning doing math makes them uncomfortable to the point where they avoid it–are likely to pass the same tendency onto their children.
Additionally, Ulrich encourages parents to share their own experience of struggling with learning to help kids contextualize and understand their own difficulties. If you can talk to them about what you’ve been through, they won’t feel so embarrassed or discouraged about their own struggles. Maybe you’ve always found writing essays particularly hard, but because it was difficult for you, you adapted and learned new strategies. By sharing this breakthrough with your teenager, you might help them adapt for their own situation.
Also in this episode, we discuss:
- Other methods of learning that are surprisingly effective, such as using analogies and talking to yourself
- Why it’s positive to “think about thinking”
- How to ensure that our teenagers will do the right thing, even when no one is watching
- What my brother has learned about education from running a tutoring company
- How receiving or providing tutoring can help your children
- How to gain back the trust of a teenager once it’s been broken
- How technology plays a role in learning
These ideas about learning and other learning strategies for teens are discussed in today’s episode. Ulrich is not only a great author, but a great speaker, conversationalist, and father. His advice can help you develop your child’s learning abilities and clear up misconceptions about learning so you and your teen can be better learners.
Word-for-word examples of what to say to your teen
1. Instill a value of learning in your teen:
“Every family has values and learning is something that we value as a family. This is what I’m doing right now. I’m really struggling to learn how to do my taxes. What are you struggling to learn?”-Ulrich Boser
2. Get your teen thinking about learning strategies:(Members Only)
3. Reinforce a family value of learning:(Members Only)
Step-by-step guides for applying the ideas from this interview
1. Teach Your Teen How to Learn:One of the most beneficial things you can do for your teenager’s future academic success is to help them develop the mindset that they can learn better if they find better strategies. And the best way to do this, Ulrich told me, is to model the attitude yourself. This means you need to be learning something. Choose a new thing you want to learn, like an instrument, or a language, or calculus, or Taoist philosophy. Get enrolled in a class or club or lessons immediately and start learning! Now you can legitimately talk with your teen about learning strategies without sounding like a hypocrite. Plus, as Ulrich put it, teens learn very strongly through social learning and modeling. So when you experiment with learning strategies yourself it rubs off on your teen. Write the subject you’ve chosen on the line below, and then circle 5 learning strategies you can use in learning it.
–Spacing your learning out over time
–Talking to yourself
–Using your hands/body
–Making strong mental images
–Setting specific learning goals
–Drawing knowledge webs
–Using concrete examples
–Discussing the concepts with others
2. Start a Weekly “Goal Session” with Your Teen:(Members Only)
Complete Interview Transcript
Andy: An interesting place to start is just you. Can you just talk a little bit about what led you to write these books? Clearly it’s like in both of these, you have done so much research. You’ve interviewed all of these top researchers in their respective fields, both about learning and about trust and oxytocin. There was a massive amount of effort, so what inspired that?
Ulrich: Sure. For me, I would really start this conversation with learning. That is a topic that is really near and dear to me and has been something that I’ve been writing about, learning or education, for most of my career. It stems from my own experience in school. I struggled a lot as a student, I repeated kindergarten, I managed to spend some time in special education. I have this one account of a experience in elementary school where I got into all sorts of trouble. Couldn’t read my handwriting was talking to other students. And I know this because there was a psychologist sitting in the back of the room and it really inspired my interest in education and learning how people gain skills, how they gain knowledge, why it’s so important. That’s what sparked the Learn Better book and in many ways, my career.
Andy: You mentioned that there’s a scene in the book, Learn Better, where we are brought back to that classroom. We get to see you from the perspective of that psychologist, whose sitting in the back of the room, taking notes on you. It’s really interesting. I wonder how did you then later on put those pieces together and start to figure that out?
Ulrich: It took a while to get the pieces together. It helped that I had a very supportive family and broadly grew up in a nice suburb of New York city. To a degree there was some luck involved. I also eventually learned some learning to learn skills on my own, and then eventually went on to college. And after that it was really what sparked it. What helped put it together, I think was really learning that learning itself is hard work that I was going to have to learn and really work harder than other people. And then having those supportive environment, supportive teachers, supportive parents and siblings, I think can make such a big impact.
Andy: Yeah, because I think there’s this belief that some people just get it and things come naturally to them and others don’t and learning is one of those that some people just are assumed to be smart and just learn things easily. What you point out in this book is that there’s more going on behind the scenes there and that there are strategies that are being used. And a lot of stuff I noticed while reading your book that I hadn’t even realized was a research based thing.
Andy: I’ve always been pretty good at the standardized tests and that kind of thing. And a lot of it I realize is, after reading your book is, I am really tactile and I make hand gestures for everything. I don’t know why I just have always done that when I’m trying to memorize words or memorize facts. I make little hand signs for them or something like that. And as I’m in a test situation, I can really easily recall them or manipulate them together by just going back to those feelings in my hands. And in reading your book, I learned that there’s some science behind that. And you even talk about someone who was able to do really, really fast mathematical calculations by using her fingers and picturing in her mind, like it was an Abacus.
Ulrich: Yeah. I want to stay with what you just described. It’s, I think, really powerful and gives us all sorts of really interesting things to talk about. The idea that our hands help us think. It’s funny, we’re not sitting in front of one another, but I’m gesturing even as I speak to you-
Ulrich: And you’re right, we forget how much learning is a physical thing, even when the learning is entirely cognitive. So you gave this example where you were studying facts and you used your hands to help remember them. Really that’s quite common. There are all sorts of ways that we can use our hands and our bodies to help us learn. So if people just even use their fingers to trace around a concept, they’ll do better learning that concept than people who don’t use their fingers to trace.
Ulrich: I think this also gets to this very, I think really important idea, especially when it comes to teenagers is that we have this idea that our thinking and our feelings are separate. That our bodies are all about passion and then maybe hormones and then the other side there’s thinking and rational thought, and that, that rational thought is cool and collected.
Ulrich: It turns out that they are deeply intertwined and that’s why you can offload thoughts onto your hands and really vice versa that your hands can help you think in more effective ways.
Andy: And it strikes me just in reading that, that we tend to want people to be normal or to conform, or it might seem like a little odd to be over there in the corner, frantically doing things with your fingers. But if that works for you and that’s your learning style, maybe that’s good or that’s something that you should explore. I think we like to think of being so good that you don’t need the tricks or something like that. I guess I always had this impression that needing to do it on your fingers meant you aren’t that good at it or something like that. Right? But I like the way that you quote it in your book, which is that if it’s a strategy that helps you, then there’s nothing wrong with that.
Ulrich: Yeah. I think everyone uses strategies. I think we have this idea that some people are just so smart, but even the people and you look at accounts of people who had special gifts, someone like Einstein, they also struggled. I think it’s really important to remember the bell curve, which we all saw in science. In other words, what’s important about that in terms of intelligence, is that 90% of us basically have the same thing? We’re all using strategies to one degree or another. And these strategies, we can have strategies that we’re just using informally and we may have just come to them from conventional wisdom or we’ve just heard about them, or we can look at the research and see what strategies really work. And that’s really the point of this book. Some learning strategies are far more effective.
Ulrich: Highlighting for instance, which is something we see teenagers and adults use all the time. It doesn’t actually have a lot of evidence behind it, but quizzing yourself is very effective. Learning styles, the idea that some people are tactical learners and some people are visual learners, doesn’t actually have a lot of evidence to it. I’m happy to talk about that a little bit more. Some people feel really strongly about it and I’m happy to run down that, but more broadly we have strategies for learning. And there are some strategies that are far more effective, whether it’s goal setting or using analogies, they allow us to learn a lot more. There are even studies that have shown talking to yourself while problem solving is the equivalent of having a boost in IQ and these types of strategies, I think we should think in that way. It allows us to really boost our natural intelligence.
Andy: I totally agree. And I think that it gives you some confidence to be okay talking to yourself if you know that there’s research behind it, that shows that it can be helpful.
Andy: I wonder, as a parent, if you’re trying to help your teenager to develop better strategies, how do you introduce new ones, or is it more about then also having conversations with them about what went well when you were preparing for that test, or how could you have done it differently? Is your goal as a parent to just try and get them to try lots of different strategies and see what works for them or to more specifically guide them towards ones that you think would be better for them, or what’s the approach there you think?
Ulrich: No, I personally believe that there are some strategies that work really well and they work really well for all of us. So there are, and especially when you think about teenagers, literally hundreds, hundreds of studies that show when you write down a goal, you’re far more likely… And unpack that goal, right? I want to get an A in this class, I want to be better at soccer. Okay. Here are the 10 things that I need to do. This idea that quizzing yourself is an effective way to learn has been shown in schools and other environments in labs, just very, very effective strategy.
Andy: Sure, yeah.
Ulrich: But you bring up this question, which is, do you want to teach one strategy or even just teach people to think about strategies? Just thinking about strategies is a good approach because what we see in a lot of teens and frankly, a lot of adults is that people are overconfident. They think that they know more than they do. The example that I like to give is driving. I have driven a lot since I was 17.
Ulrich: Probably, I don’t know, hundreds of thousands of miles. God knows how many parallel parking jobs that I’ve done, but I haven’t gotten better at it largely because I don’t really think about it all that much. Most of my time when I’m driving I do think about other things. So even beginning to talk about strategies is a good thing. Okay, so here’s your problem? How are you going to think about doing this? Especially for teenagers who want a lot of autonomy, allow them to explore different strategies. Maybe they’re going to fail. That’s good too. Maybe they’re going to succeed. Maybe they’re going to come to some of the research on their own, but already that process of thinking about your thinking. Wondering, okay, am I doing this right? Am I overthinking? Certainly a problem of teenagers and adults. Just encouraging that type of approach, I think already is a good step though. I personally have some strategies that there are some where the evidence is crystal clear. There’s some where they might work in some very specific situations, but already thinking about thinking, very powerful approach.
Andy: So you mentioned quizzing a couple of times as one of the big ones and another one in the book was distributed practice. The spacing effect, I think you talked about as a pretty powerful one. What are a couple of the undisputed things that you would say are places to start in terms of learning strategies to work on with kids?
Ulrich: We’ve covered one, this idea of quizzing yourself and really what’s important about the quizzing yourself is that you’re generating the information and we can use this in all sorts of ways. So now with my spouse and also with my kids and students and people also who I manage, I ask them to engage in repeat back. So you gave me some instructions about how to engage in this podcast. If I really wanted to learn it, one thing that I could do is just repeat it back to you, not rereading the notes, which is more passive, but really engage in that type of more generative form of practice and quizzing yourself, putting yourself on a stage is one way to do that.
Ulrich: The key idea here also is that it involves some struggle. I had this experience recently, Andy, where I was preparing for a speech. I don’t know if you’ve had this experience, but I started to reread my notes-
Ulrich: And I thought to myself, oh my gosh, I didn’t actually use that language. I thought to myself, I just can’t believe this, I wrote this book arguing for more active quizzing, generative forms of learning and suddenly I’m in a new situation where the surface details are a little bit different and I go back to this more passive approach. I’m re-reading it. When we’re practicing for speeches, just to finish the story, we’re much better off putting these notes away.
Ulrich: After you have some idea of what you’re going to say, but really just practicing the speech without the notes. A little bit harder to do. You don’t feel as comfortable, like when you have the warm blanket of the notes, but far more effective.
Ulrich: I do think that spacing is a big one and it relies on a really simple fact. We forget at a regular rate. There’s research going back to the 19th century, where if you give someone a nonsense word or a word that really you have no other kind of sense of meaning. If I taught you the Swahili word for table, and I’m assuming you don’t know Swahili?
Ulrich: I can predict, based on previous people, about when you’re going to forget that. There’s a 50/50 chance, if you were to learn a new word, you learn the German word for calculator, [rechnermasjien 00:13:08]. There’s a 50/50 chance that if I email you tomorrow around this time, you’ll have forgotten it and within a few days, see this learning curve, it will have dropped off all together. We all know that this happens. We regularly forget things. The question then is what can we do about it? And one thing that we can do, anything you do to distribute your learning out over time is really effective. You’re much better off studying a little bit each day. You can learn more with less time by studying a little bit each day, rather than just studying once over the weekend. My own kids, what’s funny about this very specific example is my kids actually now try to use this as a way not to do their homework. There, you told us that we need to just study every other-
Andy: You’ve got to space it out, dad.
Ulrich: Day and we’ve got to space it out. Come on. They in some ways know that the strategy too well.
Andy: Well, but also though it strikes me that it’s a call to not procrastinate because if we leave it all until the end, then we aren’t able to get that spaced out effect. We end up doing it all on the same day, right? Yes, it’s a call to not do it all at the same time, but also in order to do it, we have to be a little more prepared or there is a little more planning involved, right? Because we have to get started earlier and then we have to be diligent about doing it every day or every other day or however often?
Ulrich: Absolutely. When I think about really some of the key messages, we’ve talked about some of them, but just going to reaffirm them. Planning is very, very effective, particularly when it comes to teenagers who are dealing with a lot in their life and teaching them some of these types of strategies. How to plan. And then also something that we talked about at the top, knowing that learning even something that’s very cognitive in nature, like chemistry is both a social and then an emotional thing. Using our hands, using our bodies, understanding how we feel that if we’re feeling stressed or insecure, we’re not going to learn as effectively than when we’re in a good spot, when we trust the people that we are studying with. And these are all, I think some really important takeaways.
Ulrich: Yeah, I’m really so grateful that we had a chance to talk. Really appreciate the time to chat. Really feel like I, myself learned a lot from this.
Andy: Hey, this has been totally awesome. Thank you so much for making the time. Can you tell us quickly where people should go to find out more about you and what you’re doing and get on your list or anything like that?
Ulrich: Sure. Yeah. My name is Ulrich Boser. not that many other Ulrich Boser’s out there, so Google away and if you find something that strikes you as good or bad reach out. Would love to hear from folks.
Andy: Yeah. And the books are Learn Better and The Leap. Both of which are really fantastic.
Ulrich: Awesome. Well, thanks so much. Great chatting with you.
Andy: Thank you, Ulrich.
About Ulrich Boser
Founder of The Learning Agency and a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, Ulrich Boser is an author, speaker, and entrepreneur. He wrote a book on the science of learning titled Learn Better, which has been featured in Wired, Slate, Vox, Fast Company, and The Atlantic. Amazon called it simply “the best science book of the year.”
Boser’s work has appeared in a variety of outlets ranging from “The Tonight Show with Jay Leno” to the front page of USA Today and he has served as an adviser to many institutions including the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the Reboot Foundation, and the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign.
His writings have appeared in a variety of publications including The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Atlantic, Wired, Slate, Smithsonian, and many other publications. Boser’s examination of brain training was featured on the front page of the Outlook section of The Washington Post.
Earlier in his career, Ulrich wrote The Leap: The Science of Trust and Why It Matters, which Forbes called “recommended reading” and Talking Points Memo described as “both comprehensive and engaging.” He is also the author of The Gardner Heist: The True Story of the World’s Largest Unsolved Art Theft, which became a national best-seller and was optioned for film.